e75 The Hidden Potential Of Our Environment with Feng Shui Master, Danijela Saponjic
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[00:00:00] Welcome to Rewild Your Business. I'm thrilled that you're here with me today because I have such a treat for you. I'm welcoming to the show Danijela Saponjic. Danijela is amazing. I've been literally captivated by her since the first time I met her. I was introduced to her by one of my wonderful clients,
Jen Danijela is a Feng shui master. Anyone who knows anything about me knows that I can get very obsessive about things that light me up. And this topic is so fascinating, but what I hadn't realized was how this. Topic of feng shui can be so relevant to us, particularly for coaches, for people who are working with clients around energy and vision.
My goodness, this is gonna be such. Amazing additional tool in your toolbox. Like I say, she's a feng shui master, and she [00:01:00] believes that when we activate the hidden potential of our environment, we naturally expand the success and the impact of whatever it is we are here to do. She's a highly respected feng shui and space healing master, actually, and she's celebrated for her innovative approach.
She blends the best of both practices to get the most transformational results with her clients. She has over our. Of experience and she's now a trusted guide for businesses, for homeowners. She helps people to purify energy fields and craft spaces around them that really promote harmony and growth.
Danijela is the founder of the School of Spiritual Design. And she shares her expertise now, she pays forward everything she knows by training the next generation of practitioners and by empowering people to harness [00:02:00] their intuition. So you know that I have so much to talk to Danijela about because.
Intuition for me, tapping into our intuition, trusting our intuition, that is such an important part of building our businesses. Yeah, so she helps people to harness their intuition and make meaningful impact in the lives of their clients. Beyond her mastery of feng shui and space healing. Danijela is an absolute visionary leader of her own business.
She balances roles as CEO of her business. Um, as an investor and a mentor, she guides high level business owners to transcend conventional strategies by leveraging the principles of energy flow and alignment. Daniella's, a devoted mother of four and absolutely is the epitome of resilience, dedication in nurturing her family and the environment she touches.
Daniella's passion for everything she does shines out of her. Honestly, you're going [00:03:00] to love her. Since the first time I spoke to Daniella, I just knew that we were kindred spirits in terms of how passionate she's about what she does. And her commitment to empowering those that she works with. She's amazing.
I can't wait for you to meet her. So let's dive in and let me share this conversation with you. Welcome to Rewild Your Business, the podcast for women doing the work, their sole intended. I'm Gill Moakes. I'm an international business coach and I'm a guide for women doing the work that matters. Rewilding your business means cutting away what doesn't belong to allow, what does to thrive.
Finding simplicity in your work, and it's about bringing the whole of who you are to the table, whether you are building something new or finding your way back to what really matters to you. I'm so glad you're here. Hey, good morning, Daniela. How are you? I'm great. How are you my [00:04:00] dear? Really good and I'm so have.
Show we were just mentioning before I hit record that you are my very first guest under the new name of the podcast under Rewild Your Business, and it feels so right. It feels like such an appropriate topic to have you on to talk about. So I'm so grateful to you for coming on. Bloody love this topic ever since the first time I met you.
Honestly, I've got so interested in this. I dunno if I'm practicing Feng shui that well, but I'm so interested in it, and the reason that I'm so happy to have you on the podcast is that when we first spoke. We had this realization, didn't we, that there was such common ground in the way we look at business and how we view the work we do with our clients, and just felt there was such a [00:05:00] connection between us.
So yeah, really glad to have you on the podcast. Thank you. Just for everyone listening, can I get you to introduce yourself and just tell us a little bit about. You are and what you do. Oh, absolutely. Oh, it's my pleasure to be here. And thank you so much for the invitation and I'm really looking forward to our conversation today because, uh, when we talk it always takes us to different places.
So I'm really curious, you know, what will be the, the topic today? Well, I'm Daniela and I am Feng master. I'm the founder also of the Space Healing Method, which means, uh, cleaning and cleansing the. Energy of the space, and I've been doing this work for over 20 years now. My business is located in Germany and I do serve clients around the globe, which is really, really amazing.
And well, I'm a mom of four boys between the ages of 10 and 24. A lot of things going on in my life, but at the same time, I'm so grateful for my, [00:06:00] my, I always say my feng shui because it helps me also. Create my life. So I always drink my own medicine first. So it's not feng shui, it's not something I'm doing.
Feng shui is something, uh, it's a part of me. It's who I am. And I think this is the, the biggest difference of, you know, viewing feng shui. Do you do feng shui? It means you set something up and then you forget about it. Or do you tap into the powerful energy of feng shui and it becomes a part of your life?
Oh my goodness. What a important distinction. You, it's not something you do, it's not performative. It's actually something that becomes part of who you're, I love that distinction, and I feel like that applies to. Anything in life that you really wanna embody and become a part of who you're, you can't look at it as something, you do something like on a Monday and Friday.
[00:07:00] I, I do my feng shui. It just doesn't work like that, does it? I think it's the same with any kind of like spirituality, with a meditative practice, all of those things, it becomes part of who you're, so I love that distinction. How did you originally get into this world of function? Oh, uh, well, you know, back then I would say, oh, it was an accident, but today I know it was destiny.
So I was, uh, 26. I just finished my studies at the University of Applied Sciences. I studied business and marketing. Uh, back then I was, uh, already a mom. I was married and. You know, today say nobody wanted me. They're like, oh, you're young. You're a mom. You're married. Well, no, thank you. And my world really fell apart because this was my life plan.
I, I worked my whole life to start the career in the corporate world in marketing. This was it. And then it felt like it was taken away. [00:08:00] From me, but then I understood it was taken away from me. I called them Masters of life. Somebody calls them universe, however, so that something greater can take place. I read different articles, you know, not looking for a solution.
You know, I was working at a fast food restaurant because I couldn't find anything else, and I was reading about classic clearing, and they were saying, if you clear your platter, your life will change. And I was like, well, no. I don't believe this. So, um, things didn't get better. So I told my husband, well, let's try this cter clearing thing, because I don't think we have clutter, right?
Because our apartment is really neat and nice and clean. Well, we did, this is my first connection I made with Karen Kingston back then. Um, I bought her book and then. We cleared, like in two days. We cleared out so many things. I was shocked. I was really, really shocked. And then indeed, two days afterwards, two things happened, which really [00:09:00] made me not only think about going deeper into it, but I knew there is more behind this cutter clearing energy of the space.
The space influencing your life that I was. All in, and this is something about me. I'm always all in. I'm not somebody who's trying our things. Right. I love that about you as well, and I really relate to that. I feel like you are that sort of person who, if you are gonna do something, there's just no half measure.
It's like full passion, full. Yeah. We're doing this and I love that about you. Absolutely love it. So you started this, it was almost like an experiment. It was almost like, yeah, this doesn't sound like a thing to me, but why? Why not give it a go? And everything changed, right? Yeah. My whole life changed. I mean, we did, you know, the two things which happened is we got a payment, a government payment, uh, retriever waiting for, I think for half a year.[00:10:00]
And the money just arrived in our accounts within two days after this clutter clearing session. And we got a new apartment. It was bigger, it was a, a ni, a nicer part of the city. And I was like. Well, I need to learn more about it. And then of course, from PLA Clearing, I, Feng Shui crossed my way and I bought this book.
I bought many books. But then this one book, A Complete Idiot's Guide to Feng Shui. The Orange Ones, not the yellow one, not the Dummies, but Complete Idiot, not The Dummies. And I read this book and I was like. I get goosebumps when I talk about it because I was sitting, I remember the scene, I was sitting in my bed, it was evening, and this is what like reading my book and I had my floor plan and I was, you know, drawing things and, and trying to analyze and do the, on our, on our home.
And I remember. Looking up and telling my husband, just imagine me doing this for others and making money with it. And he's like, well then do [00:11:00] it. I mean, he does not know what he started back then by this, with this comment. But the next day, as I said, I'm not doing half things and I'm not trying out. So the next day I was, you know, internet was there.
We didn't have webinars. Webinar. I mean, it was 2004. No, two. Yeah. Two, four. Yeah. Really part of the internet actually. Oh my God. Yeah, absolutely. So I was just searching schools and I was calling them and they were like, well, and you remember one, she was saying, well, you need to do all those courses and when you are done, we are not sure if the re master who lives in Malaysia is still going to be alive, so we can guarantee you that you will finish your certification.
I'm like, oh. Well, that doesn't sound right. So to make a long story short, a friend of mine, she of mine, she said, my neighbor is a re consultant and her master is coming to Munich. And I was like, that sounds good. Oh. So he had a [00:12:00] speech and I was sitting there and I was like, oh my God. Oh my God, this is so good.
This is so good. So this was, I remember in August and in September I was, uh, driving down to Switzerland to attend my first part of the certification. Wow. So for you, that moment when your husband said, well, why don't you do it, then that set in motion an unstoppable journey, didn't it really? Oh, absolutely.
I mean, there is no way that you weren't destined to do this, I don't believe Right place at the right time.
Where we started this conversation around the, the decluttering, if you like, because people think about decluttering, you know, they think about minimalism and all of that kind of thing. But actually I think about decluttering as making space for the right things to come into your life. And that's exactly what you did, right?
You just started this journey and then when you made the space, [00:13:00] everything started lining up. You are now a Feng shui master yourself, and you now train others to follow this similar path to you. And the reason I, I just love that, is I feel like that's such a similarity in us, in that we become passionate about something we are all in, on being the best we can be in that.
And then that calling to pay it forward kicks in. How did that pan out for you? When did that become part of the model of what, how you work? This is so interesting, this question because I have never mapped out my business to be like this. So I started to, to do feng shui, to do consultations, right?
Imagine me doing this for somebody else. So I added consultations for almost 10 years. And then there was a point where I was really, I did have a [00:14:00] coach, but it was just like every now and then, I wasn't really in a mentoring. I didn't have somebody who was guiding me through the business, although I studied business administration.
But still, you don't learn for like building your own business at university. I mean, that's a huge difference. So there was a moment where I was sitting at a desk for myself without my husband saying. This needs to change. My business needs to grow. Oh yeah. I mean, I was growing. I, back then, when I'm sat down, I had three children.
I had one baby, one toddler, and one first grader. So it was so busy and I was building my business, so, oh my God. But then still, I was like. Something needs to change. I feel that there is so much more potential in my business and I'm doing the consultations, which is fine, but I'm not gonna do this for the next 40 years.
Right. Just doing consultations and you're one person. Yeah, absolutely. You are like one [00:15:00] person. There is only so many people you can conserve by you doing the consultations. Yeah. Yeah. Again. Coincidence. I met somebody and she's like, oh, well I'm in this bootcamp, business bootcamp, blah, blah, blah. And it was so much back then.
I mean, I was making, I dunno, 50,000 euro per year with my consults and this program was like 10,000. Euros for one month, and I'm like, I'm signing up. And my husband, he was just speechless. He's like, are you crazy? Picked himself up off my, oh my God, you can't do it. You don't have the money. And I'm like, I know, but you need to trust me on this.
I didn't know it either, so I just asked me. So trust me, he did. I remember this moment. I was sitting there and I was holding, telling the coach, well, there are people asking for me to certify them. I have no idea where they got this idea because I'm not certifying anyone. And just in consultation. And she's like, well, the universe is trying to tell [00:16:00] you something, so you should start certifying.
And I'm like, yeah, I'll do it in two or three years because I need to get the curriculum right and I have my own story. And she's like, now my dear, now you're going to set up. The price, you're going to set up what's in it, and you're gonna create a flyer. I mean, we still had flyers back then, right? And you're gonna call those persons.
And I'm like, are you, I cannot call. I mean, I calling somebody I, I can't do it. So she's like, yes, you're going to do it. So within two hours we had everything done and ready. I mean, this is really hardcore. She said, you are allowed to get back into this room after you have closed at least half of those persons.
And I'm like. I, I don't think I can do that. I freaking love the sound of her, but I did. So as I said, well, I invested so much money and I said, I'm not going to be, uh, you know, just a viewer of this bootcamp. I'm in it. So I went out, I went up and down the street. Yeah, I call those persons. [00:17:00] Jill, the certification back then it cost 6,000 euros and it still costs so much.
And out of those 10 people, three joined while I was in the training. So I already made my money back and three more joined just a month later. So my first certification was sold out and I made my investment back. So this is what I wanted to say with the story. First one. Follow the intuition, although you don't understand why, just go.
Just go. You are not going to understand it. Why? And then when you decide to do a coaching or a certificate, whatever it is, just play it full out. Be in and do whatever is necessary to get to your goal, because otherwise the certification wouldn't have been born. I would do, I guess, consultations only, and I wouldn't be fulfilled because what I understood later, I'm a born teacher.
This is what's in my horoscope. This is in in my human [00:18:00] design. This is in everything where I'm a teacher. I'm so. Glad that you touched on those two things because I think these are common to everyone listening. If you are building a business, these are two things that at some point you are gonna be confronted with, and that is stretching yourself to invest in something that feels uncomfortable, and knowing how to trust yourself to take the risk.
And I think it's almost. What sets people apart? There is no building of incredible businesses without taking a risk on yourself, backing yourself, trusting yourself. And I do really think that, you know, you said, you know, listen to your intuition. 'cause your gut doesn't lie to you. Your gut doesn't lie to you.
If you know that's the right path for you, it is. Whatever you need to do. I just love your attitude to, if you're gonna do it, [00:19:00] go all in on it. Get every single freaking ounce of value from that investment you made. I can just imagine you were just like every day, right? How do I get the most out of this today?
Mm-hmm. That's what makes the difference. That is when things start working, and I think that level of energy that you bring to something, it makes your success inevitable. Absolutely inevitable. So I love that you shared that. Thank you. I would love to talk a little bit about Feng shui and business. I see so many parallels in terms of the energy and the approach.
I guess I would love to talk about how you see that when you see you work with female business owners often, you know, how do you see. Impacting business owners in the way they work. Mm-hmm. So there are different layers to it. [00:20:00] Just the other day I, in my certification, we had a call, and it was a slightly different topic.
So one of the ladies, she asked if I want to invite a new relationship into my home, we clean a drawer, like for this person, for his things, or a cupboard, or a part in my closet. Closet. Just, you know, to create space for this person. And I said, well, no. Now it's a relationship, but if you think about inviting more business or a new client, so just creating a new folder for this client to come in, it depends how the energy behind it is.
If it's charged with pressure, so now I created this space, now this person better comes. It's pressure. Yeah. It's forcing. Forcing and expecting. And in feng shui it's more, yeah, offering or extending a invitation. So it's a different kind of energy. We are going from masculine energy to feminine energy. So opening up, you know, [00:21:00] inviting things to come to say, Hey, I've created space in a very playful way, so I am inviting.
Now you fill in the blank. To come into my business, into my life. So this is me saying, be shui, don't do shui. Yes. That's the difference again, isn't it? That's exactly a really good example. So that she, it's almost not, not that the person wasn't asking a really valid question, it was a sensible question, but I guess she wanted that black and white.
Yes. Clear out the drawer and, and it'll be ready. But actually the answer is much more energetic than that. It's not a checklist of things to do. It's a way to be. Yeah. Yeah. And this is what I feel in the feng shui field, and this is why when I teach a certification, it's not just answering the questions, yes or no.
You learn the big picture, of course, because you need to, you know, guide your clients through [00:22:00] the different facets of feng shui. So. For me, as I said, I mean the perception of feng shui should go from this is good or bad. Feng shui to opening feng shui is opening up possibilities for me. Mm. So, because Feng shui is not this good, bad, you know, Feng shui is rooted in the Taoism.
It's a philosophy of life, and it's not black and white, although everybody out there is trying to make it black and white, but it's not. It's so alive. Yes. That common misconception of something being good feng shui or bad feng shui. How do you kind of address that? When people come into your world and they're very new to the subject and maybe they are bringing with them the baggage of kind of misconception, how do you address that?
Well, I always say, well, it depends. Let's take a look at your space. Yeah, start with the space. It depends on your values. It depends on your, you know, how, how you live. [00:23:00] It depends where you live. There's so many things you know, this is when you know shui. This is why you can practice your own just until a certain point.
But if you want to really dive into it. Talk to a consultant, because as a consultant we see deeper, we see wider, we see the bigger picture, and we know how to apply those rules to your specific situation. Let's take just a very simple example. I don't wanna activate my wealth corner because I don't want to put the God of wealth into the corner because it doesn't fit to my interior design.
Well, I understand you because the Asian God well does not connect so well with. Somebody who is not from Asia, we don't have a spiritual connection to this. Well, well, I won't say person, but it's not to this energy, right? We don't have this. So you look at this Buddha, for example, and it's like, well, it's nice, but I don't feel anything that's natural.
But then you [00:24:00] go ahead and look, what is your sign of wealth? Ah, when you see something, is it. Creating the emotion of wealth in your body. This is how you choose REI remedies. That is so, uh, do you know, I don't, um, we've talked a couple of times. I don't think that Penny has ever dropped for me before, actually.
But that makes so much sense. It needs to be the feeling that whatever it is. In personally, and it won't be the same for anyone else necessarily. So it makes so much sense that just having the same, uh, like you say, maybe an Asian image or statue that represents wealth won't necessarily be right for everybody.
Yeah. Ooh, that's a really good point. Mm. And thinking about coaches, a, a lot of my listeners are coaches. [00:25:00] I think a lot about this ever since we first met, which is I can see this being such an interesting tool. It's wrong to call it a tool, but it's a tool. Yeah. Yeah. I suppose, yeah, you right. And interesting tool for coaches to have in their repertoire.
Because I see so much alignment between the philosophy of Feng shui and working with people's energy, working with clients to, to get what they want, to set goals and achieve goals. I see so much alignment between it. What would you say to coaches listening who are like, oh, okay, that sounds interesting, but I dunno how that's relevant for my work as a coach.
Okay. So a very, very powerful and simple example. So when you work with your clients on their achieving their visions or making their visions come true, so you [00:26:00] are talking about visions, you're talking about holding the energy of the vision, um, taking according steps, connecting to your intuition and so on.
And now imagine your client sitting. It doesn't have to be a cluttered space. It can be a misaligned space where they work. For example, their desk is facing the wall and behind it's the door, for example. So every time when they look up, they see a blank wall. And in Feng shui, we have this, this saying, what you see is what you get.
So now imagine. Your clients sitting at home having this big vision and looking at their workspace or even at their whole home, and they're like, and the home is holding the energy of their past. Of their past. I'm sorry. And then internally, they're trying to hold the vision of the future, but their space is holding their past the energy of the past.
So there is a gap in between. So when you go in, for example. The futures, uh, future to selfing with feng shui, [00:27:00] something which I connected future selfing and feng shui. And I was like, what if your home is holding the energy of your vision? Yes. What if you align your vision with the energy of your home, how much faster your client could, you know, move towards the vision?
Because all of a sudden it's not only him or her working on division, but the space is supporting this path. It's a game changer. That phrase that you just used, suddenly the the space is supporting the path. That gave me a bit of the goosebumps, because for me that's a visceral, I understand that so clearly, and I think a lot of people listening are gonna be like, oh my goodness, that's a missing piece for me.
Because quite often I think we do work with clients who, I certainly work, I'll speak for myself, I work with a lot of clients who are, when they come to me, they're not. What they want, and they feel so [00:28:00] liberated when they finally get very clear on what they want. But that missing piece of. Okay. How could you now set up your environment, or how could you now begin living in an environment that is supporting that vision?
That's a missing piece. I think that's, as coaches, you know, we work in a really saturated market. There are so many coaches out there, so I think it's always important that we look for ways to support our clients at a deeper level.
Us apart.
Yeah. Okay. But I don't know how to set myself apart. We're handing you here an example of a way that you could actually differentiate yourself by bringing some of this work into what you do as a coach. So yeah, thank you. I think it's a fascinating aspect that [00:29:00] coaches could be working with. It's de something that I wanna go deeper with and find out more about.
For sure. Yeah, and you know, it's not only about that like setting themselves apart, it's also about their client. I mean, I have seen in my work, when we change the energy of the space and you don't need to rebuild a home, you don't need to do huge renovations. It's often so subtle and simple changes and it opens up a new world.
For this client, like, oh my God, I now can see, I now understand this client. I mean, it's just so fulfilling to see the work you're doing as a coach is more supported in getting the results for your client even faster. It's, it's just amazing. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. I think that is the journey we should all be on as entrepreneurs.
How can I get. Even better results. Even [00:30:00] faster results. There's nothing wrong with wanting to get to a result faster. That's absolutely fine. How can I do it in a more enjoyable way? How can I do it in a more simple way? I think there's, that's our journey should always be looking for those things. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. I love that. And so thinking about how you work with clients now, can you share with us a little bit about the way you work? Obviously gonna link to everything in the show notes so that people can find out more about you and, and the way you work. But I'd love to hear a little bit from you about the various ways you, that people can work you.
Oh, of course. So there is the possibility to book like one, one and a half hour, uh, session. And then I always say, don't underestimate one and a half hours with. Me 20 years of experience is, uh, I mean, I, I see a lot in this time. So, um, you know, it's of course going through the space, looking through the space, having the floor plan, because the floor plan is speaking to me.
I, when I look at the floor plan [00:31:00] and see pictures or videos of the space, I can immediately say why things are not working or what they need to do to change the energy of the space. And this is really. For me, always thinking, okay, or asking the client, so like, what's the issue? Why are we talking today?
Why did you book the session? So when I get their input and I look at the floor plan, then I can immediately see what is going on. And then we really work on those topics and I precisely tell them what to change. So again, it's not, oh, you need to move out because there are so many solutions, and then we're tweaking the energy.
It's like acupuncture. Everybody knows acupuncture. So you go to a practitioner and they're like, okay, this is blocked. This is blocked, so we need to do the needles here. Now you sit for 20 minutes and then you know, of course you need to come back. But with shui, you don't need necessarily to come back if you go through all the areas.
But then think about the remedies or the changes are your needles. So every time when you change something, the energy shifts. [00:32:00] Next time you change something, the energy shifts and this is the way. So this is what I do remotely. But then also there are consultations where we go into the colors, where we go into the flying stars.
It's the astrology of feng shui. So there are two different ways to work with me. Yeah, so this is basically, this is basically the foundation of my work. Mm. And what about if someone is listening to your story and they're hearing, you know, maybe they're a coach, you know, and maybe they're like, oh my goodness, I would love to be able to support others with this, just like you did.
Like that spark of interest. Mm-hmm. And then they're thinking, wow, you know, I would like to take that something. You know, come to you for Oh yeah, absolutely. So we do have the space activation certification. The reason why I didn't call it feng shui certification is that we are going beyond feng shui. So what I did in this certification, I connected feng shui and space healing, cleansing and clangy, [00:33:00] uh, cleansing the energy of the space into one certification.
So. When you do this, you can do feng shui, but then sometimes the issue is not only the feng shui, but also the space, the energy of the space, because maybe the business before you went bankrupt in the space where you are now in and the space is still holding the energy. So feng shui is just going to get you so far, and then adding this.
Other part, part is just really also taking care of the past, which has happened in the space and this is what I'm teaching and I love it. I really, really love it. I do have interior designers and coaches mainly in the certification, which is really interesting to me. Well, it's not surprising, but it's interesting, um, because they are adding it to their businesses.
Indeed. And they're also Jill creating a, a separate income stream. Because you know, as a coach you can then do feng shui consultations with somebody who's maybe not interested in coaching, but [00:34:00] interested in Feng. Absolutely. For coaches, I see it as completely twofold, almost threefold actually. It's pursuing your own interest in it for yourself.
It's actually adding a string to your bow in terms of the way you work with your clients and their energy and their vision and getting them what they want, and you could just pursue. Like you say as a separate income stream for yourself as well. So I'm just really fascinated with it. I'm at the beginning of just kind of dipping in and learning from you, and I mean, you have lots of beautiful free resources as well on your website, so this isn't just something where you have to make an investment straight away.
Do what Daniella did herself. When you're listening to this, you didn't start with that 10,000 euro investment. You started with a book. You studied with an interest, with just, you know, so do that. But definitely explore it, be open-minded and explore it because I think it's absolutely [00:35:00] freaking fascinating.
And I also love, love, love your style of explaining things and, and describing things. I think you're a wonderful, um, teacher in that respect. So thank you. Daniella came and gave a, a fabulous session for the collective, and it was just so beautiful. So thank you so much for that as well. Of course. Sure. If someone wants to reach out to you or connect with you, where can they find you online?
Where do you hang out? Online on Instagram. That's my happy place. Yeah, absolutely. On Instagram, we will connect everything and then also, of course, on my website, unfolding minus space.com. Yeah, those are the two resources where you can. Join me and find, as you said, all the freebies I'm having. So I always say there is no excuse not to start because you can start with no investment, without small investment.
And then, you know, you just, just start, just, just start. Just start and remember the two things that [00:36:00] Daniela said, which again, I are my takeaways from this conversation, which are trust your intuition. Let yourself trust your intuition. I think sometimes we hold ourselves back from trusting ourselves, and then when you trust your intuition, then go all in.
And I think, you know, gosh, those two pieces of advice are, are huge and, and they apply for everybody. So thank you for sharing that with us. Daniella, thank you so much for coming on the show and being my first Rewild your business guest. What a perfect topic. Because rewilding your business for me, it is about cutting away what doesn't belong anymore to allow, what does to thrive.
And I almost feel like that's such a, a core concept, you know, when it comes to clearing space and, and cleansing space. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me, Gill. It was a pleasure. Like always. No, I can't wait to speak again. Bye for now.
